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Rick Rick

3 Sep 2008
Posts: 336

Google Chrome (http://www.google.com/chrome/)... what're everyone's thoughts? Ideas on how it'll affect the browser wars? Favourite features?

I think having it open source and letting others freely take their components such as their JS virtual machine is great (though I haven't seen it stress tested yet), I think this will push the other browsers to pay even more attention to the needs of web apps and developers than they are already.

They've taken the 'best' from other browsers... Firefox's 'awesome' bar, IE8 beta's built-in debugging and added lots more on top. It's not polished, but it's a nice first beta in my opinion.

Fav features: task manager and that you can see where links go by hovering, but otherwise there isn't a status bar there doing nothing.

First niggle: simple things like not being able to delete misspelled items from history by tapping delete in the 'ombibox'.

What do you all think? Is it a pain because it's one more browser to test in (even though it uses webkit), or is it welcome competition that's going to push standards up?

Edit: The bbcode link up top is coded to go to the same place as the plain text beside it... but doesn't for some reason, so I've added the plain text link.
froady

9 Sep 2008
Posts: 6

Check out the inspect element where you can edit css and html like with firebug and the resource measurement.
I did notice it has trouble refreshing css with some jojo sites. It appears some stray characters are sent at the end of the 304 Not Modified packet that it interprets as bad css but other browsers ignore it - hit f5 on the jojo.org site to see no style every second try...
Rick Rick

9 Sep 2008
Posts: 336

Hi froady, I haven't seen you around here before, it's nice to see the community expand.

Yeah I've noticed those too, though I hadn't noticed straight away that you could edit using the inspector.

The problem you mention with the css, I have this problem in Firefox with my dev site whenever I turn content caching on... haven't figured out what causes it there though.

Other nice features are being able to hide the bookmarks bar unless you're on a blank tab, and keyword searches which I only found last night. I always used these in Firefox to bounce round to various places and missed that feature in Chrome until I found it.

Anyway, welcome to the site
froady

10 Sep 2008
Posts: 6

Then there's the application shortcuts and trick spinner that tells you more than wait (seen it go backwards?) Chrome is a very nice browser.

Regarding the css fails, I'd like to dig a little deeper sometime. We shouldn't be getting any 304s on F5 (or ctrl F5) reload anyway should we?

Thanks for the warm welcome. I'm having fun, learning and playing etc - might even achieve something useful one day!
Rick Rick

11 Sep 2008
Posts: 336

Application shortcuts are great, but just like the latest version of Prism they get grouped in windows along with the main browser... it'd be nice if we could avoid that.

Aren't 304's acceptable for F5's and normal browsing since the browser is happy using cached versions, but not on ctrl F5 as the browser's wanting a fresh version?

Now with IE8 and Chrome both having inbuilt debugging tools, I wonder if Firefox will implement it too, or leave Firebug there to do what it's been doing so well for years.
froady

11 Sep 2008
Posts: 6

Didn't know about Prism, but there's a lot I don't know hehe

Regarding the css bork it seems chrome is the one behaving differently - it uses If-None-Match: and If-Modified-Since: header fields on a ctrlF5 instead of a Cache-Control: no-cache like ie and FF. Maybe it's to be faster knowing for sure it does not need to reload the file even though you want it to.

My jojo site is fine on FF/ie cache on or off but not with chrome.
Harvey

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Harvey

24 Sep 2008
Posts: 327

I have noticed Firefox will re-request files on F5 (and will usually get a 304). This is NOT the same as pressing the go button on a page you are already on (which reloads the HTML but not the other files).

I haven't spent the time looking into the quirks of Chrome, and what it means for Jojo. Was hoping the other developers might find the time for that first :)
Harvey

Core Developer

Harvey

24 Sep 2008
Posts: 327

On another note, there is some stuff in Chrome I really like. Having spent 2 weeks on a 1024x600 screen, you really appreciate the little changes that save vertical screen space. It definitely seems faster than FF, and I haven't noticed too many rendering issues.

A lot to like, for sure, but I like my Firefox addons too much to consider switching just yet.
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